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Хочу фугу сашими. Но пичалька - не сезон. Ждать до Октября. :(

Date: 2013-07-07 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steinkrauz.livejournal.com
Tetrodotoxin (TTX) poisoning, although uncommon, is frequently seen in Taiwan, Japan, and Southeast Asia. It is rare but significant in the United States as well. Only three cases have been reported in the EM literature. We report an outbreak of six cases of TTX poisoning from eating puffer fish. On April 17, 2001, an outbreak of TTX poisoning occurred among Mainland Chinese fishermen who shared puffer fish on their boat in the Taiwan Strait. All six cases were middle-aged men (aged 32-49 yr). Onset of symptoms began approximately 2 to 3 hours after ingestion; symptoms included orolingual numbness, acroparesthesia, and breathlessness. As a result of delayed transportation and initial resuscitation, one patient presented in full cardiac arrest, with recovery of spontaneous circulation after successful cardiopulmonary resuscitation. With the exception of this patient, the initial acid-base abnormalities were inconsistent with severity of illness and mild hypercapnia was common (4 out of 5). The patient who presented in full arrest died 1 day after admission as a result of intractable bradycardia (complete atrioventricular block), a finding rarely mentioned in the literature, despite intravenous atropine and dopamine infusion. The remaining patients survived without significant sequelae and were discharged after short-term observation and supportive care, although some had neurologic and cardiopulmonary manifestations (muscle weakness, hypotension, hypoxemia, and hypercapnia). Some mildly hypoventilated patients recovered well without endotracheal intubation and ventilatory support. Favorable outcomes in most patients can be obtained if aggressive supportive treatment is provided in time. Thus, appropriate prehospital and ED ventilatory support (the implementation of a bag-valve mask or endotracheal intubation with good ventilatory support) is mandatory for those patients with respiratory failure. Most patients experience onset of symptoms within 6 hours of ingestion, but a few have a delayed onset up to 20 hours. Therefore, for those TTX-intoxicated patients without immediate prominent respiratory insufficiency, at least 24 hours of intensive monitoring of their respiratory state is necessary because of the different susceptibility and unpredictability of an individual course.

Date: 2013-07-07 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmaxthesniper.livejournal.com
Все правильно. Из-за этого фугу и едят. Из-за этого Император Японии - единственный человек на земле которому законодательно запрещено есть фугу. Из-за этого лицензированных поваров, которые могут готовить фугу в США - раз-два и обчелся, и даже они обязаны стажироваться в Японии дважды в год, чтобы не потерять лицензию.

И поэтому стОит ну блядь вообще охуели.

Date: 2013-07-08 09:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ikaktys.livejournal.com
фугу дааааавно уже не ловят дикую, с токсином, а вполне кошерно разводят, дикой на всех "экстремальщиков" не напасешься, а в разводной токсина нет, им ее не кормят, как и в амазонских лягушках которые только в природе ядовиты, от того что определенных жуков жрут.

Date: 2013-07-08 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmaxthesniper.livejournal.com
Откуда сей дивный бред?

Date: 2013-07-08 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steinkrauz.livejournal.com
Ну, не совсем давно, но зерно истины тут есть:

Toxicity of pufferfish Takifugu rubripes cultured in netcages at sea or aquaria on land ☆

Tamao Noguchia,
Osamu Arakawab,
Tomohiro Takatanib

a Japan Frozen Foods Inspection Corporation, Shibadaimon 2-4-6, Minato, Tokyo 105-0012, Japan
b Faculty of Fisheries, Nagasaki University, Bunkyo-machi 1-14, Nagasaki 852-8521, Japan

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.cbd.2005.11.003, How to Cite or Link Using DOI

Abstract

Marine pufferfish (family Tetraodontidae) are believed to accumulate tetrodotoxin (TTX) mainly in liver and ovary through the food chain by ingesting TTX-bearing organisms such as starfish, gastropods, crustacean, flatworms, ribbonworms, etc. Consequently, it is hypothesized that non-toxic pufferfish can be produced if they are cultured with TTX-free diets in netcages at sea or aquaria on land, where the invasion of TTX-bearing organisms is completely shut off. To confirm this hypothesis, more than 5000 specimens of the pufferfish (“torafugu”, Takifugu rubripes) cultured in such manners for 1–3 years were collected from several locations in Japan during 2001–2004, and toxicity of their livers and some other parts was examined according to the Japanese official mouse assay method for TTX. In addition, typical specimens were submitted to LC/MS analysis. The results showed that all the livers and other parts tested were ‘non-toxic’ in both of the mouse assay (less than 2 MU/g) and LC/MS analysis (less than 0.1 MU/g). Thus, it is undoubtedly confirmed that pufferfish are intoxicated through the food chain, and non-toxic pufferfish can be successfully produced by netcage or land culture. The livers from these fish can be used with safety as a Japanese traditional food “fugu-kimo” (puffer liver).

Date: 2013-07-08 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmaxthesniper.livejournal.com
Пытался найти на Ютубе - нету. Показывали как в Японии это делают - сашими из фугу. Все так-же ловят в море, как в старые добрые.

Date: 2013-07-09 05:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ikaktys.livejournal.com
точно ту статью не нашел, но вот ваш же NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/world/asia/04fugu.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all&

+ есть несколько видов которые полностью неядовиты (табличка по середине, на англ ее нет, только в японском еще):

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugu

Естессно едят еще и дикую, особенно в Японии, но в ресторанах NY напейсано что ее они сами не готовят, а ввозят разделаную из Японии, не думаю что ресторан в NY может позволить себе хоть малейший риск отравления ...

Date: 2013-07-07 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aaz-2.livejournal.com
Хочешь есть фугу - пиши завещание (ц)

Оно те надо? ;)

Date: 2013-07-08 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmaxthesniper.livejournal.com
НАДО. Мечта пол-жизни.

Date: 2013-07-08 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/nightblade_/
Поймал как-то паффера, выкинул нафиг от греха. Нейротоксин есть не во всех, но без лабораторного теста фиг угадаешь. И пофигу, что повар потом сепукку сделает. :)

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